Gruber and HillaryCare

Jonathan Gruber appeared on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show in 2013, and made the following statement.

Audio here, excerpted from the link above (the audio link includes a set-up piece of audio from Marco Rubio discussing Hillary Clinton vis. Federal involvement in health care insurance).

Partial transcript of audio (from the HH site):

HH: So is Hillary Obamacare’s grandmother, Jon Gruber?

JG: Well once again, I think Obamacare is not single payer. It’s not socialism. And look, you can look at my record. I’ve not come out in favor of single payer socialism. I don’t think it’s the right system for America. And that’s not what Obamacare is. Hillary is not, Hillary, basically, she did endorse what became Obamacare in the 2008 elections, 2008 primaries. She endorsed that. But prior to that, she had a very different plan. She had a plan which was much more interventionist. The Clinton, that’s the irony of Bill Clinton criticizing Obama for taking away people’s health insurance. The Clinton health care plan was much to the left of Obamacare. It would have more radically changed our health care system. Obamacare is really, it’s a big intervention, but it is much to the right of anything that’s been tried before.

HH: So Hillarycare would have had far more disruptive consequences for American health care than even Obamacare has?

JG: The original Hillarycare as proposed in the early 90s would, absolutely, would have been much more disruptive.

Interestingly, Gruber made these comments in 2008 at the MIT CIS Starr Forum:

Audio here, excerpted from the link above (h/t The Right Scoop).

Transcript of audio:

Q: Would you make a comment about the Hillary Clinton plan.

JG: I love the Hillary Clinton plan, what can I say. The Hillary Clinton plan was the Massachusetts plan. The Hillary Clinton’s plan was Obama’s plan plus a mandate, and I think it was a better plan. I think that a mandate is really a central part of doing fundamental healthcare reform.

I was surprised politically she did that. I think Obama was a lot smarter politically to not have a mandate, at least in his proposal for the election, but I do hope–I think these numbers from Massachusetts are–it’s gaining a lot of traction. I know that the folks at [the Senate?] who are working this are taking the mandate very seriously, and I hope that will be part of a national debate.

The statement that the “original Hillarycare as proposed in the early 90s would, absolutely, would have been much more disruptive” is particularly fascinating given that not only does he love HillaryCare, but Gruber was a Hillary Clinton supporter, as well:

Whereas Obama, who was opposed to the mandate in the election — I mean, Hillary [Clinton] adopted it. And in the election — in the campaign, to be fair, I was a Hillary supporter, not an Obama supporter, because I liked Hillary’s plan better because I believed in the mandate. Hillary had the mandate in her plan; Obama did not. He was explicitly opposed to it. He actually criticized her for it.

In other words, Gruber pushed for the mandate because he didn’t think Obamacare was as disruptive as HillaryCare.

Speaking of HillaryCare, an interesting piece from April of this year:

As the nation awaits Hillary Clinton’s decision of whether or not she will run for president in 2016, a cache of 7,500 pages of newly released documents from Bill Clinton’s years in the White House show some familiar political themes. One revelation is that Bill Clinton worried that a massive new healthcare scheme would cause Americans to lose their insurance.

In 1993, the President allowed his wife, first lady Hillary Clinton, to become the face of an Obamacare-like takeover of the nation’s healthcare system. The plan was sarcastically dubbed Hillarycare. But as these internal documents show, in what is now a familiar refrain, Bill Clinton was worried that Americans would turn against the plan if they found out they would lose the insurance they already had.

In one series of memos discussing Hillarycare, Bill was clearly worried that his wife’s scheme was a nonstarter with voters. “A lot of them want to know they can keep their own plan if they like it,” he said, presciently echoing the debate Americans are currently having over Obamacare.

Don’t worry, though. The MSM is all over this! Search of Google News on the keywords gruber hillary clinton:


More to come…


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